VAS shocks/springs anyone?

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Re: VAS shocks/springs anyone?

Post by atruscott » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:34 am

Oh - so it IS just me then.... and probably Shaun ;) ?
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Re: VAS shocks/springs anyone?

Post by PhillySpider » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:22 am

bartigue wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:57 pm
The comparison to koni is a bit unfair - relative to konis they are a budget item. But konis can be damned firm, even on the softest setting, and that’s not always a good thing. Bear in mind that these cars handled very well on the stock stuff, which wasn’t anything more than pedestrian grade stuff, almost anything modern is an upgrade by comparison.
Budget aside I'm looking to compare regardless of cost as it's the performance I'm most concerned with...and I'm not talking fastest lap time performance, rather overall performance considering comfort.

Your reference to koni's being "damned firm" on the softest setting seems to be a common comment and is most concerning to me. I'll likely never track the car and live in an area with tons of twisty back roads. I'm in PA which is well known for crappy patched roads and potholes, too firm a ride could be tooth shattering around here.

It sounded like koni reds would've been better suited to my application and were unfortunately discontinued. I missed a set on another forum and have even contacted Koni to see if perhaps a set was laying around a warehouse somewhere. Seems like reds are not in my future. Going to fire the bullet and go with the VAS setup all around.
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Post by atruscott » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:29 pm

Or put on Spax - which run much more akin to Koni Reds.
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Re: VAS shocks/springs anyone?

Post by cgranju » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:51 pm

Where would one purchase spax shocks?
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Re: VAS shocks/springs anyone?

Post by PhillySpider » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 pm

cgranju wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:51 pm
Where would one purchase spax shocks?
and what are the advantages? Comparable to koni red? How do they commiserate to VAS?
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Post by bartigue » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:46 pm

Spax, Koni, Bilstein, all make very good shock absorbers. You can still buy Spax and Koni - not sure about Bilstein. KYB, Gabriel, Monroe, all make fairly mundane shock absorbers. I find the KYB gas-adjust is a terrible shock on the Spider, it is harsh and doesn't ever seem to let the car settle down well. The Gabriels were actually not so bad when you could find them, about as good as the stock shocks. These are all 2-3 year shocks.

I can't comment on what VAS sells, they have a tendency to over-sell their performance part capabilities so I would expect a sub-$400 kit to be a suitable replacement for the OEM stuff but not a performance item like Koni. If it truly stacks up then it's a hell of a bargain. I believe this is a tough area to bargain your way out of, given the choices today I'd put Spax on my road car and Konis on my race car, or Konis on both.
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Post by cgranju » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:58 pm

I am surmising that no one here has experience with the VAS shocks. Thus, I hope Phillyspider provides a review of sorts.

I like inexpensive Konis like the ones I bought on sale somewhere 18 years ago or some barely used ones from someone who abandoned a project or something, BUT having experience with them I would describe them as one of the single most significant suspension upgrades you can do on these cars.
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Post by SimcaBertone66 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:19 pm

The Koni's can be rebuilt, and I have the same set of yellow's on the same car since the late eighties... they have been off the car a couple of times, cleaned, checked and adjusted ... still working ... being able to rebuild and their reliability counts for something.... no idea , got then from IAP in late 1989 I think ...lol Go for the Koni's, drive around the pot holes. lol anyone got an old IAP catalog, how much did I pay ?
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Post by bartigue » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:00 pm

I believe you could get four Koni reds for about $250 and the yellows were about $400. KYBs were $25 each. My 2nd Spider had a complete front and rear suspension with Konis and I think the total bill was under $1k.

Of course that was also a time when the ball joints and A-Arms were so cheap they could kill you...
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Re: VAS shocks/springs anyone?

Post by SimcaBertone66 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:22 pm

4 bills for a set of 4 shocks is not cheap, thought I saw them recently priced at 125 per shock

Of course that was also a time when the ball joints and A-Arms were so cheap they could kill you...
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