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Mileage comparo

Post by friedman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:57 am

Every so often I check early Miata prices on Craigslist just to see how they compare to 124 spiders.....it appears that decent spiders now are advertised for twice what early Miata go for. Anyway, the interesting issue is the mileage comparison. spiders rarely hit 100,000 miles but early Miata mileages are typically in the 160 to 300 thousand miles and the cars still look decent. The truly funny part is Miatas have known rust issues in the rockers so the key is to look for "rust free" cars!

Yea, I know, no one wants to discuss M cars but touch tushies.
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Post by cgranju » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:06 pm

Well, I always figure that the Fiats...at least the '70s ones...hit a nice, 50-80k mileage-on-the-clock point every 100k miles. I know, I know...there are plenty of true cherry/low mileage cars (and no, I don't need to hear about anyone's case in point to correct me..I've seen & owned plenty!), but you know what I mean.
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Post by Spidernut79 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:43 pm

My first car was a 1968 Ford that was 7 years old at the time and had about 70,000 or so miles on it. The dash was cracked, the timing chain had to be replaced, the ball joints went bad about every 20,000 miles, and the car had to be repainted due to paint failure.

My second car was a 4 year old Ford with less than 50,000 miles on it. The dash was already cracked, the seats had torn, and the engine had blown and been replaced. It was on its third clutch by 70,000 miles.

The highest mileage I ever had on one of my cars back in the 70s was around 135,000 miles. When the engine was torn down, the mains were worn to the brass and the crank was worn beyond repair.

Cars back in the 60s and 70s were pretty much junk after 100,000 miles and needed everything replaced. Our Spiders have fared well if you compare them with other cars of that era. My 79 Spider was all original in 2000 when I bought it with 36,000 miles on it. Other than seals and gaskets leaking, it was in amazing condition. I now have 59,000 miles on it.

The newer cars like the Miata and the Fiata have far superior plastics and vinyls. The materials and workmanship are just so much better with today's technology. That's why they have so many miles on them.
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Post by friedman » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:14 am

The Japanese screwed the world automotive world (and their own automotive industry) by proving that cars don't have to be disposable items and they could have relatively high quality at the same time. Back in the 60s and 70s my dad would get a new Impala every two years to barely stay ahead of the falling apart curve.
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Post by cgranju » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:56 am

It is quite funny how romantic memory becomes about how "they used to make them" AND how despite that, certain cars got such bad raps.

I have owned two Fiat twin cam cars that has 200k miles & one with 160k on original (serviced, but never "rebuilt") drivelines. All three were mostly owned by people who tried to take good care of them but certainly didn't baby them. Of note, the 160k & one of the 200k were both one owner cars until quite late in their runs.
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Post by friedman » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:00 pm

I think by now we have all learned that the 124 TC motor is very robust and if taken care of will last a very long time.....sort of like the reputation that Mazda twin cam motor has.
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Post by davedecker4 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:30 am

Yes, as we've all learned the Fiat TC can be quite long-lived and dependable if well maintained.
I never trusted anything over 5 years old and without a 6th digit however.
Skepticism learned in the old days when everyone always stated original mileage and used car lots had specialists that came around to "repair the speedometer" on clean late model cars. I always figure they've been around at least once again unless documented otherwise.
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Re: Mileage comparo

Post by SimcaBertone66 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:19 am

Considering having more actual seat time in a race prepped Barber MX5, compared to my 124 Spider race car, I really question subjecting my 40+ year old Fiat to the same level of abuse as I have inflicted on the Mazda.... on a race track at full tilt ... I really think my Fiat would fail, despite my best efforts to build it as robustly as possible ... not sure if this is relevant to the question ... the Mazda MX 5 a very good car ..
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Post by friedman » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:19 am

It's all a matter of technology advancement. You situation is rather like trying to get an MGTC to handle like a Miata on a race track. By the time you are done there is probably very little of the MG (or 124 spider) left. If it's fun trying then by all means go for it.
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Post by SimcaBertone66 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:12 pm

I know it is able to go as fast or close to as a race prepped MX 5 with my 124 ... just leery of beating on it as hard as I did in the arrive and drive Barber Mazda.
Carl, I know how to build and drive a very fast 124 Fiat, just not thrilled to subject it to the level of violence I did with a rent a racer ...
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