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Alfa Romeo 164

Post by fastfiat81 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:26 am

Anyone have much experience with the 164s? I have been lurking on the alfaBB forum the last week or so learning the quirks of the car. Nothing too bad if I can find one pretty well sorted.

My plan is to make this my daily driver. Life is too short to not have fun and as my ducati days are winding down I need something to keep the commute fun and interesting!
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by bartigue » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:31 pm

My .02

As a daily driver, I wouldn't. The 164 is constructed on an excellent platform, shared by Alfa and others, and has stood up fairly well in terms of styling. But it's old and electronic - and these aren't good things. 164s are first generation of just about everything - first gen climate system, first gen motronic, first gen platform, etc. etc. A bad candidate for restoration and a bad candidate for daily driver - it would be like buying a 20 year old Audi A4, except its 30 years old.

An easier transaxle Alfa to own is the GTV6 or the Milano, and at least you can work on those at home, more or less, and the parts aren't so bad.
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by friedman » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:57 pm

Todd Rosenthal had one, I don't think he comes here anymore (he is all about X1/9s now but I can let him know to come look at your post). If you are looking for a more sporting version than I agree the Milano would be a better option. I had a MIilano for awhile as a daily driver but and just loved driving it but even that turkey started to become too much of a project car and sorting the problems was a lot harder than any Fiat.
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by toddr124 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:37 pm

I had two Alfa 164s as daily drivers. I had a 164L automatic for about a year and a 164S for about 4 years. I would never get an Alfa 164 automatic again for anything. The transmission was crap and hard to work on. With that said, I sold it to Jim Atkins son who drove it for 6 years as his daily driver and loved it.

The 164S was fun to drive and held up well for 80,000 miles until the timing belt skipped a tooth. Yes I changed the timing belt and tensioner about 10,000 miles before the mouse got caught on the timing gear on start up.

The car had a lot of little problems that did not effect driving. Mainly dash lights, sticky plastic and steering wheel, other minor things. The car did hit over 150mph on Summit Point raceway when I hit the rev limiter in 5th gear. The 2nd best car on the track ever for me.

I have tried a couple of times to buy another one, but the cost, miles and memories have always stopped me in time.

I am glad I had the experience and wish anyone else a good experience, but I am done with 25 year old Alfas.
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by ramzi » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:08 pm

I had a '91 164L and also one of the last 95 LS 5-speeds. Both as daily drivers... but that was 20 years ago.

From a drivers perspective they were awesome (back then). From a parts perspective they were tricky. Would I buy one today... probably not... But I did enjoy them.

If you do decide to get one, hold out for a Q or an LS.
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by friedman » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:44 am

Somebody has to say this so I will. If you want a fun, reliable, smile on your face modernish car, forget trying to turn a now hobby car (Alfa sedan) into a daily driver and get a VW GTI. Mine feels like a sedanish version of the NA Miata I had years ago and is a major hoot to drive. Will complement your Ducati quite well as it gives the same type of inputs.

carl....flame suit on.
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by fumi » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:14 am

I have to agree with Carl. I had a couple of GTI's in the past and they were fun as heck!

I recently sold 2 of my non-Fiat 1990's "fun" cars that went from hobby cars to daily drivers in the past year when one of my teens started driving. The cars were fine with me for several years when they were seldom used for pleasure driving only and I didn't mind tinkering with them as needed. In the last year that they became daily drivers I started dealing with phone calls from my teenager with things like: "Dad the airbag light just started blinking", "Dad the inside door handle just broke and the door won't open", "Dad the car smells like sweet, burnt metal, it's smoking and the temperature gauge is pegged all the way to the right, should I drive it home?" You get the gist......It got annoying fast.

Tinkering with a 20 year old "modern" pleasure-use car can be fun and enjoyable, but being forced to tinker and fix a 20+ year old temperamental daily driver all the time that needs to reliably get you somewhere is annoying and takes the fun out of it. Just my .02 cents. BTW, I'm tired/done/and don't have time to be messing with old daily drivers. I just bought the teen a Camry.........

Now tinkering with a 40-50 year old Fiat....that I do enjoy.
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by bartigue » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:31 am

2nd the VW GTI. It was the most enjoyable small car I ever owned as a daily driver. A rocket when you needed one and dead reliable
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by fastfiat81 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:37 am

This is why I love Mira. Short, sweet, straight to the point honest answers.

I think the modern definition of a daily driver is maintenance free and super comfortable. I drive a 2011 Madza 3 2.5L. It's been dead reliable for 100,000 miles so far and I don't see it stopping anytime soon. It gets me from point A to point B without fuss. I only pop the hood when the ridiculously lengthy service intervals require it. They are designed that way and just rarely break. Steering doesn't wear out, oil changes at 7,500 miles or more, AC that works perfectly all the time, cooling systems using aluminum radiators that don't spring a leak, great gas mileage with LOTS more horsepower vs the old days. All in stock trim.

I figure we get older and don't want to wrench on a car all the time. Who wants to do that when we don't have to? I admit I am a bit spoiled in that regard. It's nice not to have to worry about getting in a car and driving a 1000 miles at the drop of a hat. Anytime. As long as you keep up with what small maintenance there is you are good to go.

I entertain this idea because of a few factors. 1. I have a 2015 truck as a backup. 2. I have a heated/cooled shop and space to actually work on cars. 3. One year ago this month my life changed. I realized I am mortal. Specifically the ones I love are mortal. Life is short to not do what you want where you can. My midlife crisis so to speak? Probably. 4. I don't mind wrenching on cars that would require a closer eye on the maintenance side of things.

The logical, practical side of my brain asks how long I would be willing to keep it up. I'll have to answer that one myself. So it's a question of picking a car that moves the soul and FUN factor vs the modern daily driver (admittedly there are FUN and soul moving modern cars that fit the bill). I just don't want to pay for them lol.

Ok enough of the soapbox musing crap. :D :D
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Re: Alfa Romeo 164

Post by lanciahf » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:57 pm

VW? Too funny, I bought a 1996 VW Passat VR6 over an Alfa 164 due to the perceived reliability. What I found out is that VWs are the worst cars ever. My buddy with a Jetta coined it best when he said "you just can not keep them nice". Great motor everything else was crap. Over the years I have learned German cars are great lease vehicles when the company is paying. After that the new owners are just lying to themselves. "500.00 for an oil change is great! Right? right?"

At one point I was down to one functioning door. Good times....

Buy an Acura TL or TSX and just enjoy it.

Should have bought that 164.....
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