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The, uh FCA Heritage thing

Post by bartigue » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:44 am

I was both happy and disappointed in many ways to see FCA announcing a Heritage group and touting it on facebook:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture ... lflowFBRAT
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Re: The, uh FCA Heritage thing

Post by SimcaBertone66 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:25 am

Can you elaborate, interested to hear take on this ...
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Post by bartigue » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:55 pm

I'm glad to see that maybe, finally, they're going to try and act interested in the cars a whole bunch of us have tried to keep relevant. Considering the near torture we had to endure with their parts supply and the companies they licensed to apply said torture, maybe they're going to do the right thing now. I'm hopeful. I'd also like to be able to buy new parts made of better materials.

I'm disappointed in what they're doing in terms of this "cars for sale" website they put up. While touting their commitment to absolutely accuracy, etc., they put up a pininfarina Spider with bent, dirty Speedlines, corroded badges, and an incorrectly setup FI touting it as "low mileage" - my ass.

I'm happy they didn't turn the heritage division over the Velocity channel, so some ape-fisted moron could install wheel spacers and chrome...oh I digress to my disappointment of the Velocity shammel.

I'm also disappointed in that I've seen what "heritage" divisions do. They make reproduction parts available at a very, very high price. FIAT's problem with the Spider was it was originally sold as an affordable sports car and then, with little change to the actual car, sold as a luxury item at luxury prices. Will the heritage division follow the lead of competitors and price these things as rare or specialty? I hope not. I want quality, but not a return to $700 Veglia gauges and $2200 dashboards when each are made of $7 and $22 worth of materials.

And on and on and on. This may drive up the price of the cars, which I believe is great and terrible.
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Re: The, uh FCA Heritage thing

Post by rridge » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:03 pm

Those 1981 Pininfarina Spidereuropa's are rare birds indeed. Who was it that said, "The quality goes in before the name goes on".
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Re: The, uh FCA Heritage thing

Post by cgranju » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:14 pm

are their records that much of a mess that the whole "1981 Spider Europa" thing didn't raise a flag?
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Re: The, uh FCA Heritage thing

Post by SimcaBertone66 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:42 pm

A stubble out of the gate by the FCA, with the cognoscenti of the old Fiat (USA market) car word giving them the stink eye.... and a non delusional assessment of what exactly is going on ... are they "born again" feelings about very cool, old Italian cars, once built by Italians in a factory in Italy ... or is it pure marketing to do what exactly WHY ?
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Post by bartigue » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:20 pm

Pure profit motive. What I learned was whoever is running this doesn't know their own automotive history, and must not have access to google or wikipedia. Shame of it is they probably don't care...the site makes some reference to "the people who built them" but uh, guys, FIAT, Alfa, and Lancia weren't converged when these cars were designed, and the people who built the beautiful ones were pininfarina, bertone, and zagato. I don't think anyone remembers the cars FIAT designed in-house, with some exceptions of course.

Take about 3 people from mirafiori and move them to Torino for a month and let them teach you the ways apparently lost in a dusty old room at what was FIAT HQ.
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Re: The, uh FCA Heritage thing

Post by SimcaBertone66 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:06 pm

In other words, they are beyond just lame and ignorant, besides thinking they have a "business plan" that will make FCA money , really...? nickel and dime chump change on offering parts and "restoration " service's .. any cost on the "finished "product ....thrown about ... always wanted a Fulvia, the last "real" Lancia ..
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Post by bartigue » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:36 pm

Someone looked at the 10x profits Mercedes and Porsche make doing this, confused FIAT, Lancia, and Alfa with luxury brands, and sold it to management. I guess spider roadster customers and ignorant, velocity channel focused auction attendees will pay $80k for Spiders...in this case, for Spiders they didn't even take the time to wash.
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Re: The, uh FCA Heritage thing

Post by cgranju » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:54 pm

I'm ordering a large popcorn for their endeavor. Maybe a 128 2 door Sedan would come to the market at an attractive price point! ;) No welding!

On the other hand, I wonder if this could be a good thing for some of our vendors.
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