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Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:06 am
by bartigue
I had a chuckle reading Hagerty's magazine last night, there is an article on a really nice Alfa Romeo restoration shop. One of the pictures has "Ralph Gilles, global head of design for FCA, peers under the hood of a '79 Sprint Veloce" and all I could think was this was probably the first time the guy saw an Italian car in person.

I do like Hagerty's magazine, it occasionally fills the void HS&EC left when it went out of publication.

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:24 am
by lanciahf
Brad don't be hating Ralph Gilles, he is the real deal..
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cultur ... ph-gilles/

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:29 am
by bartigue
I cannot find a shred of evidence supporting this. Driving around in an old Alfa isn't a credential and what they have planned looks like a bunch of the same old stuff with new grilles...b o r i n g. Perhaps though thats the modern equivalent of styling, take a C300 and cut off the nose and tail and call it a Maserati.

https://www.motor1.com/features/243788/ ... 2/3030963/

But then what cars aren't boring these days? I can only think of a couple that even remotely excite the senses.

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:41 am
by rridge
Gilles owns a '69 Alfa GTV. I've been following his career for some years and, as Ralph says, he's the real deal. Good designers have always been very young and very international in background and outlook. A good design chief is someone who can attract and develop those designers. I think Gilles fills that job nicely. There is a good profile of him on Netflix, "Abstract: the Art of Design" Season 1, Episode 5.

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:18 am
by bartigue
Still waiting from them to produce an Italian car. So far it's a bunch of Mazdas.

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:05 pm
by friedman
Brad, you want FCA to make a beautiful two seater that is slightly under powered and starts rusting as soon as it's made?

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:03 pm
by bartigue
The beautiful part, yes. They don't rust if you park them inside.

Ever notice that the cars that we all work on and love weren't designed by FIAT?

(I know, some of you love 128s and 131s...)

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:27 pm
by rridge
Bradley wrote
Ever notice that the cars that we all work on and love weren't designed by FIAT?
It's true that over the years most of the high volume Fiat cars have not been great lookers. I can forgive the 600 and 128 because the designs has such high functional value and I always liked the 124 sedan. The 124 and 850 coupes were done internally but one man, Mario Boano, deserves most of the credit. From the late 70's until quite recently the look of Fiat branded vehicles could be summarized as futuristic on the cheap, with Ritmo/Strada as a prime example. And who can forget the late '90's Multipla.

The new 500 is Italian because its a retro design based on the earlier 500 which was done by Italians. But the final design of the current 500 was done mostly by Americans and mostly before the FCA mashup. Chris Bangle, Peter Davis, Frank Stevenson and Michael Robinson were lead designers at Fiat from the late 80's on. I believe most were originally Southern Californians. If Fiats look a bit like Mazdas I'd say that's the Pasadena influence in both brands.

So, regardless of where it is designed or who's designing it, what should a modern Italian car look like?

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:55 pm
by davedecker4
That's funny, I thought all recent Mazda's look a little like Alfas. From the Brera on.
They even add some sporty handling (compared to other high volume Japanese cars).
That's why I always thought Marchionne missing nailing down Ford's divested share in Mazda and letting it slip towards Toyota was a big loss for his megalith on every continent strategy.
However seeing what happens with Nissan may make one reluctant to think allowance of foreign ownership can be tolerated for the longterm in Japan, even if it results in commercial success.

Re: Hagerty Alfa Shop Article

Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:33 am
by bartigue
I thought the Alfas were Mazdas.