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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by SimcaBertone66 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:07 pm

Sad but true.... would not buy a current Fiat 124 Spider Abarth or otherwise, despite currently owning and driving a 500 L, and having 100% reliability in close to 50 K miles…. would opt for the MX5 any day... sorry FCA
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by PhillySpider » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:19 pm

andy wrote:
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The Fiat 500 Owners site has a monthly post on sales numbers for various models.

The link below shows 160 units sold for the 124 model, I don't know if that includes the Abarth.

https://www.fiat500owners.com/forum/8-f ... mbers.html
That is TERRIBLE. I know from a Honda fanboy that accords and camry's typically do 30-40,000 units a month and are solid indicators of the overall market. Looking at the current accord trend I'd say 160 units was a light month for the new spider, but I'd bet a fantastic month is still under 5 or even 400.
For reference, nissan altima's lag a bit behind accord and camry at about 20-25,000 units a month and then it drops significantly in japan to subaru legacy under 7,000 units per month. These are all just NA sales...
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by friedman » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:35 am

Don't forget that a two seat sports car is always going to sell way less units than a four door sedan, kind of an applies and oranges comparison.
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by zonker » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:28 pm

FCA has thrown all their capital at keeping the Ram and Jeep models relevant, as well as build on the higher profit Maserati and Alfa brands. From there the Dodges, Chryslers, and Fiats are all the bench, waiting their turn to get something new.

When the economy slacks, ease of financing is reduced, or fuel prices take a nasty jump, then perhaps trucks and SUVs will lose a little luster, and economical lower priced cars will be the better investment for FCA. In the meantime, no new meaningful product updates will only guarantee a sales decline for Fiat including the Spider, which has not been getting the same level of updates that it's Mazda cousin is getting. Miata added 26 hp to it's motor and a telescopic steering column in 2018, and all Fiat has done since 2016 is fluff up the car with different trim options.

It's a shame they do not sell better, but I do like the exclusivity of the car. I get asked all the the what kind of car it is, and people are surprised when they learn that 124 Spiders are being produced again. Only the enthusiasts know it's out there, and many of them shy away from the car because they believe it's just a Miata with an unreliable engine that sells for the same price.

I bought a new 124 Spider last year and got a great deal, thousands better than I could have with a MX-5 (not that I even considered a Miata). The 1.4 multiair motor is by far the better roadster motor, with lots of midrange torque to make a spirited drive effortless. And once I replaced the muffler with a straight pipe system like what the 500 Abarth has, it now sounds truly amazing. Not another new car can touch it for it's aural thrill. I love this car.

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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by davedecker4 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:28 pm

A very astute analysis. Thanks Robert
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by PhillySpider » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:14 am

friedman wrote:
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Don't forget that a two seat sports car is always going to sell way less units than a four door sedan, kind of an applies and oranges comparison.
Understand your point... point is, IMO, whatever the number is you can presume it goes up and down with accord and Camry...
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by beek » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:28 pm

i love my abarth spider. the only drawback is if i want to carry my wallet with me it has to go in the trunk!
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by friedman » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:52 pm

I don't think anyone doubts they are very nice cars, I was just wondering how they were selling.
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by PhillySpider » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:59 pm

friedman wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:52 pm
I don't think anyone doubts they are very nice cars, I was just wondering how they were selling.
I wouldn't mind one. Only thing lacking is marketing...
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Re: How are new spider sales doing?

Post by friedman » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:31 am

Millennials, being the current young but mature age group might be the target audience but that group is apparently only interested in SUVS. 1960s and 70s may have been the heyday for sale of fun vehicles when Europeans couldn't make enough sports cars and Japanese enough motorcycles to fuel the desire for us wild and crazy baby boomers. Now we buy the modern equivalent of the Buicks and Mercurys our grandparents drove.
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